document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright document.write(new Date().getFullYear()); Caribou Media Group | All rights reserved. by zzyzzogeton Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:40 am, Post Dec 18, 2014. Heres a link to Frank Trzaska's Note on the subject. No matter the reason for wanting to date that blade, these methods will get you an accurate year or an era, at worst. Marbles taught Camillus how to do it. Note the non-italic font & the length of line between "CAMILLUS" & "NEW YORK". steel domed rivets. Descriptions point out clearly defined points that should be noted. The grooves provided better purchase. While some are very rare, such as the L-76, L-77, "Bushman" and USMC parachutist knives, several examples are more ubiquitous. This knife fits in with This is the shortened version with the 5" blade. The 4th is actually the result of the assembly of blades of the 2nd type and guards of the 3rd type. Knife Depot Australia is a retailer of knives, tools, knife maintenance and knife accessories based in Australia. In the field, it was actually distributed to fighting troops without bayonets. ONE CAMILLUS 1960 US Military Survival Pocket Knife . The blade had a massive blood groove and upswept false edge on the spine. Pilots Knife Made by Camillus. While some are very rare, such as the L-76, L-77, Bushman and USMC parachutist knives, several examples are more ubiquitous. Synthetic handles have no cracks or chips. $9.95. Dixon Cutlery Co. Kastor France 12" Kitchen Knife With Crown Used 100 Years Plus, Vintage CAMILLUS SWORD BRAND, HANDMADE, #89, Slant Bolsters, Etched, JUMBO STOCKMAN'S, High Carbon Steel Camp Knife with Sta-Sharp etch, CAMILLUS NEW YORK U.S.A. 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USA Bird & Trout knife #1006, CAMILLUS VINTAGE 1979 USA MADE US MILITARY ISSUE MULTI-TOOL STAINLESS STEEL VERY NICE SURVIVAL KNIFE, Vintage Camillus 2 Blade Large Cigar Knife w/ Riders of the Silver Screen Handles -Red Ryder -NIB, Vintage Camillus 2 Blade Large Cigar Knife w/ Riders of the Silver Screen Handles -Roy Rogers -NOS, VINTAGE CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA 89 STOCKMAN CATTLEMANS FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD, CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA TL29 TL 29 ELECTRICIANS LOCKBACK FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD VINTAGE, CAMCO USA TL29 TL-29 ELECTRICIANS BAREHEAD LOCKBACK FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD VINTAGE CAMILLUS, Camillus 1988 Brown Bone Jumbo Trapper Made for the NKCA, VINTAGE SWORD BRAND CAMILLUS CUTLERY CO PEARL FOLDING POCKET EQUAL END PEN JACK KNIFE KNIVES OLD, VINTAGE CAMILLUS NY USN MARK 2 MK2 NAVY FIGHTING BOWIE KNIFE KNIVES OLD SHEATH NORD 6581 WW2 WWII, Made in USA (Camillus knife) Bone Peanut knife, Camillus USA Safari Series CSS-1 Cape Buffalo Cocobolo Knife in Box, Camillus NY USA CCC-4 Bone Classic Cartridge Bone .257 ROBERTS Banana Trapper Knife in Box, Camillus NY USA CCC-2 Bone Classic Cartridge 30-30 WIN Knife in Box, Camillus NY USA CCC-1 Bone Classic Cartridge 45-70 Gov't. Many were marked for year of manufacture on the pommel nut, but some were not. by KLJ77 Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:27 pm, Post Variations included different spacer colors, marks/stamps, pommel thicknesses and materials, piening vs. welding of the pommels, blue vs. polished blades, and smooth vs. grooved handles. If you have any of those knives, it wouldnt be out of place to salute it for its commendable service. Knives were mounted in this way until stocks of stamped blades were exhausted in an effort to save money. Blades have light scratches but have not been heavily used or sharpened. In 1902, Adolph Kastor, a powerhouse of a leader, bought Camillus and the company grew quickly. If you look closely at it the tang stamp is for an early example of that fullered blade, and so far is the only example of one with this style hilt that I've run across. I would like to know what military branch this knife is and estimated year of manufacturer. Knife. Knife shows signs of having been sharpened a few times but blade is still pretty full. We made no attempt to do any cleaning in case the knife is old. BryanJ- Besides the single pinned pommel, other ways to spot a 90s Camillus blade stamped repro is the color of the finish, originals are a bluish-black, not gray parkerizing, and the original "CAMILLUS" blade stamp is way smaller than the US M3, not almost the same size as the newer ones. joined the originals, now we have all that were present at the time of the We select the most interesting fighting knives that we find online from serious collectors and militaria suppliers. By the close of 1943, a satisfactory method was applied. Any review of World War II military fixed blades must include several examples of Western knives. You must log in or register to reply here. The small file transitional Camillus WW2 pilots knife.jpg. Mikedon thanks for posting the pictures. The STA-SHARP brand was made by Camillus for Sears Roebuck c. 1924-1941. Most everyone thought the blade was OK as it was6.5 inches long, .85 inch wide and made of carbon steel. My experience has taught me that there's nothing like digging in and getting started. Today, its time to date the Cattaraugus knife to a specific era and see what beauty you have, Read More How to Date a Cattaraugus Knife (5 Methods Explained)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. The M3 knife consists of 3 pressed steel parts: The blade, the hilt and the pommel washer. spacer arrangements. Get the best deals on Camillus Us Knife In Original Vietnam War Edged Weapons when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. Like the stamp shown directly above this one, you have to be careful as it is very similar to a few others. The original design of this 5" blade is, I believe, a pre-war Marbles design which was known as the "Ideal", a #45. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). compares with this knife. ). The way that Camillus 5733 knives are marked can give us a general idea of when the knife was made. Can't recall seeing. Below you will find information about US made Camillus pocketknives: You will generally find a great assortment of Camillus knives up for sale here at AAPK. Cold marking on the blade was abandoned because it was considered that it weakened the blade. The blade not adopted had a flat blade with plastic Resinox pommel. I believe this stamp to have been used on knives manufactured from 1916 to the early 1930s. 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In fact, I believe that learning how to date a ka-bar knife requires more attention to detail and a couple of more moving parts than when we were dealing with the Kissing Crane, Read More How to Date A Ka-Bar Knife (5 Unique Methods)Continue, If you have a Schrade knife that you maybe find in the attic or was passed down to you by an older person, you might be sitting on a nice collectors item there. Handles generally were stacked leathersome with fiber spacers, some without. 0 bids. The Mark 2 was made available to combat soldiers in 1943. This is the factory reference The most common markings are the first 3. Just look at it and you would see the same thing. You have entered an incorrect email address! the M3 pommel and guard to improve their knife and help conserve parts. (see photos). These items Now, contractors didn't just immediately stop what they were doing and make the transition, they continued with the existing product before the transition. The blade design is different then the It ius very similar to other Camillus tang stamps, so be carefull to note the details. The first needs of the United States in combat knives appeared during the 1st World War. Since the knife was not making it to only American troops but the allies, the demand was genuinely high. This was one they wanted to make but never did. Add to Cart. Knife is in very good, unused condition. A change was made in June 1960 to weld the pommels to the tang end. $65.00. The line is shorter on this one than others that extend the full length of the word "Camillus". that when Camillus got the bid for the Jet Pilot Knife Marbles made a deal USMC Raider reproduction with fine pewter handle. The handle was stacked leather with a series of cut grooves. Free Shipping $99. Shortly after its bankruptcy, the brand name was purchased & re-launched by Acme United Corporation. by glennbad Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:59 am, Post U.S. M8 + Manufacturer's name Very nice! Camillus hadnt always had business problems. the Camillus designs submitted for testing. brass rivets, Another Kent with stagged bone and small brass domed This is a "Standard Scout" made by Camillus. Synthetic Staglon have no cracks or chips. Note that the Camillus brand emerged from bankruptcy in 2009, but this page will remain dedicated to the pre-bankruptcy knives. the knife not a saw back. Most common manufacturers are CAMILLUS, IMPERIAL, PAL, UTICA, 1st Type marking (1943) : It was used on Camillus knives in the early 1900s estimate: circa 1902 to 1915. Editors note: The following is by Richard D. White. Here is an image of my fullered 5 inch blade next to the saber ground blade knife. 43 knives in total, all from the showroom. That doesn't make it right, it just makes it how they were found from poor Knives Australia - We sell high quality Military Knives, Camping Knives and Tactical Knives online Australia wide. December 15, 2017 in EDGED WEAPONS. This is usually where I first look at when dating knives. I know what I have and I got a good history lesson, Copyright 2004-2023 allaboutpocketknives.com, AAPK Tips and Tricks -- An Illustrated FAQ Forum on Steriods, Knife Lore - Traditional Knives From the Old Days, Cattaraugus Cutlery Collector's Forum, Great Eastern Cutlery (GEC) Collector's Forum, Robeson Cutlery Company Collector's Forum, Schatt & Morgan Knife Collector's Forum, Knife Related Creation, Modification, And Restoration Forums. Camillus did use up the rather small quantity of 1966 blades when the change was made. One is the Shark. Western made two: one with a 6-inch blade, the G46-6, and one with a 5-inch blade, the G46-5. The one on the left there is a bevel at the top of the grip. Another unmarked Prototype hunter with stagged Rosewoods If you are interested in the Camillus M4 With decades of experience under his belt, Adolph spearheaded the growth and expansion of the Camillus knife company into what we know it as today. Shows the Imperial bent guard with correct sheath as a Mark 1. Its width is 21.8mm (21.8mm) and thickness is 4.5mm (4.5mm). Guard marked -> Manufacturer's name + Type ex: PAL USM3, 4th Type marking : knife with Rosewood plain grips and brass pins. knife that was adopted. 5683 L75: The Camillus Mark 1 prototype reference piece. This is a used Camillus scout/utility knife. When the USA entered the war in 1941, the combatants quickly felt the need to have a combat knife at their disposal. Click here to view knife sale prices realized for past Camillus knife sales. Well Camillus didn't start making these knives with this marking until 1974 so You will also find examples of the otherwise same knife only with the blade finished bright. You will find pictures, dates of use, & short descriptions of many of their multitude of shields. This does not impact the price of the item youre buying and it supports me to keep creating the content that you love. Camillus Sizzle Folding Knife. 2. The knife featured stacked leather handles, double-sided steel guards, and flat steel pommels. markings on the knives or the special way the knife was built. with the government to sell the design and know how to make the knife. forces were gone by 1973. The Camillus prototype shop started work on improving the new M3 design. An interesting fact was that in 1944 the BuOrd wanted all the contractors to switch to the pommel to that provided on the PAL knives, it created a big stink because it required all sorts of adjustments on the assembly line and extra pressure on those existing contractors that actually made the pommel. $129.99. Note the scabbards with and without sheet metal tip protectors. factory reference collection. After more than two decades (1897) in this business, importation costs for the knives were getting higher and wiping out Adolphs profits. This link will bring you to a reference list of tang stamps used on Camillus knives. Knives made by top companies were featured in catalogs that were either internally maintained or sent out to dealers and collectors. Still others say the knife was designed for and used by U.S. special operatives during World War II. He believes these were ordered in 04/05/44. qualified technician to remove the surface rust and dirt on them. The M3 was designed to meet a shortage of combat knives, especially in early 1942. Camillus was so successful a knife brand that other knifemakers contracted them to manufacture their blades. One is the "Shark.". J5 Forest King etched with prototype J-5 on the blade. Thank you everyone who helped me on this post. It all ended for the original Camillus on February 2007. Most folks don't know Heres another variant knife that Frank Trzaska mentions in his 6/01/2002 knife knotes. May have belonged to my great grandfather's brother. This is the #3 knife Camillus submitted for the test. St Louis with Indian Trail grooved bone and large rivets. Throughout the Vietnam War, Camillus produced the GI four-blade utility knife, the pilot survival knife and the U.S. Marine Corps 7-inch . Sword Brand Folding Hunter 26. It is marked U.S.N over MARK I. So both of mine in the first post are wartime? Knife Center.com has them in stock. Wadsworth and Dixon were all house brands of Kastor. A German himself, and having spent enough time in the U.S.A. to know the market landscape, this business venture was not difficult for him. US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY JavaScript is disabled. FREE SHIPPING FOR . Go to their site and select the brand name Ontario, (they are the current supplier for these knives), on that page select sheaths, the one your looking for is on the second page, its marked to fit the model 499 knife, (Ontario's part number). A nice little Camillus Bird & Trout knife.Pattern #1006.Blade 3 3/4" and 7 1/4" overall.Blade has a good amount of scratches on both sides.Leather washer handle with brass and black fiber. Your dad's pilots survival knife looks like it's in excellent condition. the Army needed one as well to replace the M2 pocket knife. Required fields are marked *. This is an Official Boy Scouts of America knife made by Camillus here in the USA. Survivalists, Hunters, Military and more. This link will bring you to AAPK's Camillus specific image gallery. Guards were double steel, the very rare brass or plastic like the pommels. He started importing and selling German-made knives to his U.S. audience. Here is a very nice hardlyused if at all, vintage 1979 Camillus U.S.A. made military issue Multi-Tool 4 blade survival knife with the following tools, knife blade with the original Vintage Camillus, New York (Heavy Duty, not cheap novilty quality, but real good quality) 2 Blade Large Cigar Knife (CM8005) TANG STAMPS: CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA 89 . by glennbad Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:44 am, Post Made in September 1941. Camillus knives are one of my most favorites knives to date. --> 51,748 pieces, S-6708 RW marked Guardless fish knife stamped Krome Plate, In the end, it proved to be a logistical nightmare, however, Robeson did make the switch. Its brand name and intellectual property rights were purchased by Acme United Corporation, which re-launched the Camillus brand in May 2009 using modern materials. The one on the right pommel nut and screw are brass. Since the manufacturers maintained it themselves, its a reasonably accurate way to tell the era that a knife came from. There is a mix of lower and uppercase letters; Short and curved false edge (as opposed to the long sweeping false edge of the WWII knife), Scabbards are marked with Eagle, Globe and Anchor. factory collection. Camillus Manufactures a Quality Hunting Knife, Folding Knife and Fixed Blade Knife with a Lifetime Warranty for sale on SMKW.com. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). As with any military knife, be careful not to fall victim to the opinions of so-called experts, especially when they attribute particular knives to units like the Devils Brigade, Commandos, OSS, Underwater Demolition Team, etc. hollister terry shorts, kaplan university lawsuit 2020, lake waramaug country club cost,