Im so glad youve been plugging in and hope to keep hearing your feedback! One is called Yesterday and the other is called Tomorrow. I mean, Im totally coming to see you. This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. Kelly Corrigan:So, I just really went bananas, because on top of the shirt problem, I went downstairs to clean the kitchen, and I found everybodys bowls, and spoons, and cups, and I had that reaction that so many women have, which is, Well I guess Im the least busy. Kelly Corrigan:You cant be in the world, and get through your to-do list, and also sit in endless, rich gratitude. Kate Bowler:I need to hear what your motto is. After the potency of the crime metaphor wore off, I turned to the vocabulary of religion. Kate Bowler:Yeah, I believe you. So, maybe when life is chronic, we all need some sayings to anchor us, our very own mottos that guide us through. Kelly Corrigan:I didnt die. Kate Bowler:Yeah. All moments, days, chapters are transitory and the good ones leave us as do the bad ones. Thats my other life mantra. I have watched every episode on PBS and cannot get enough of the show Mrs Corrigan!!! You might actually give somebody a chance to discover whats really bothering them, and in that discovery they might find their own solution, but the fact is that if you can bite your stupid tongue, and get over yourself, and just keep eliciting their whole story, then the next thing you know, their mood is changing, and theyre feeling more solution-oriented, and then they get the buzz of solving the problem. Kelly Corrigan:One that Ive always liked is, Things happen when you leave the house. I think I like the sense of theres something out there that you can tap into. I was wrong not to try to ease her days in some way.. Kate Bowler:Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you haven't heard of Father Greg Boyle, let us introduce you: a Jesuit priest who has a touch of Santa Claus in his affect, Greg Boyle has collaborated with thousands of former gang members to build thriving businesses and communities of radical acceptance in East LA. Kate Bowler:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kate Bowler:Yeah. Kelly Corrigan:I didnt die. I mean, its a little bit like, Just keep saying yes. You know, When in doubt, say Sure, Ill do that, just to see what happens next, just to see who you might meet. Jennifer Garner tells Kelly Corrigan how she inspires others to find their true passions. Forever? Kelly Corrigan:One that Ive always liked is, Things happen when you leave the house. I think I like the sense of theres something out there that you can tap into. So, I just really went bananas, because on top of the shirt problem, I went downstairs to clean the kitchen, and I found everybodys bowls, and spoons, and cups, and I had that reaction that so many women have, which is, Well I guess Im the least busy. 295 Episodes Produced by Kelly Corrigan Website. Then the ocean with its waves so vast, impossible to touch bottom, then a maze, then a mountain, then seasons, a natural disaster. Those ordinary consonants and vowels that, when strung together, offer meaning and points of entry for others. Ill definitely have to write this one down and bring it out on a particularly overwhelming day! My life doesnt exactly fit into neat categories anymore. Make the magic happen. We have a lot to learn from you. Kelly Corrigan:So, my dad died in February, and then my friend Liz, whos the mother of three kids, 8, 10, and 12 at the time, died that December. So, I kind of wondered if there was a motto youd pick for you for right now, what would it be? Kate Bowler:Wow, and thats a big word. Yeah. Id say that there is definitely such a thing as a questioning Christian. I was wrong not to try to know her, and I could just see it in his face that it was like, Okay, you understand. This interview is perfection. Yeah. I go, Oh, thank you for that bit of suggestion.. I dont know, but a whole new world of possibilities exist right now that did not exist an hour and 10 minutes ago, and I think that is so cool, and real, and exciting. You surely know about hard times, and I love that you are continuing to show up every day. You could do worse than to live by that one. She's an author. Her memoirs include " The Middle Place," and her first children's. In fact Im in the middle of reading both of your books right now. Many of you listen to Kelly Corrigan who WFS brought to Charlotte in October 2021. Constance Wu also thanks a past educator of hers, Mr. Frizzle. Kate Bowler:Yeah. After the potency of the crime metaphor wore off, I turned to the vocabulary of religion. You say something thats so weird cause I say it all the time, so when I read it I thought, Did you reach inside my brain? You adopted the phrase, Onward as a bit of a motto. Then I wanted to get right with him, and urgently. Best, Its a sin, its hell. I mean, that was my big experience of your book. Kate Bowler:I dont think Ill like it, but I will think of you when I do it. Kelly Corrigan is the best-selling author of "Tell Me More: Stories about the 12 Hardest Things I'm Learning to Say," and a proud graduate of the University of Richmond. The reach of language can be laughable.. You wrote this book in a season of incredible loss. You cant only experience deep gratitude at the toenails that you seriously wish someone else would have cut, because seriously, whos doing this around here? I love it that it gives up perfectionism, and it just says, Hey, whats possible today?. Kelly Corrigan:I never came up with any combination that came close to the feeling. Kelly Corrigan:Sure, my pleasure. Kilpy You are everywhere they are., Kelly Corrigan:I really believe that, even though Im skeptical, and Im mad at people who say, Her spirits still here, and stuff. Adjust the colors to reduce glare and give your eyes a break. 5:55. Kelly Corrigan:Hey, thanks for having me. Mary Anne, Mary Anne, This episode was wonderful, wasnt it? I mean, maybe I was projecting, maybe whatever he said in that moment, maybe if he had said peanut butter, and jelly, wed be talking about peanut butter and jelly, but it totally resonated for me in the way that a song lyric does where youre like, I dont know what that means exactly, but Im going to write that down, and put it in my wallet, and its interesting. Id love to hear more about what this means to you. Kate Bowler:My life doesnt exactly fit into neat categories anymore. Just do your best. Its the title of my memoir-still-in-progress. Kelly Corrigan:So, she had to call someone and ask them to come over and zip her dress so she could go to the wedding. Today, Im speaking with New York Times bestselling author, Kelly Corrigan. Kelly Corrigan:Youre feeling like ABC, not DEF. So thats the beauty of it. Its a sin, its hell. We read and appreciate every comment. Kate Bowler:Yeah. A phrase that I heard at a recent Pecha Kucha talk from a woman who had come through a terrible health crisis was Its like this now. So, I was wondering, would you mind reading that beautiful passage you wrote about after Liz died? Kelly Corrigan:But you know, if Im jumping in with my fancy solution two and a half minutes in, I just cut you off, and then we leave each other, and I have this little high like, Ah, I just really helped her, and she walks away thinking, She didnt hear anything I said. Kelly Corrigan:Thats not a headline anybody wants to read. Kelly Corrigan:Well, chop-chop kid. Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders, a place for people who like to laugh while they think and find it useful to look closely at ourselves and our weird ways in the hopes that knowing more and feeling more will help us do more and be better. At a time when so much feels unex I was wrong not to go visit her. Kelly Corrigan:And I should not lose my mind over a shirt I bought on final sale section that didnt fit even though I tried to pull it over myself, and then it got stuck on me, and I had to cut it off with scissors. That kind of belonging is transcendent, and you just feel it pop up in these little moments. Hosted by four-time New York Times bestselling author Kelly Corrigan, the show dives deep into each guests life to pull out poignant lessons they hope others can use to find their own calling or better understand themselves. Yeah. with Kelly Corrigan When bestselling author Kelly Corrigan experienced the death of her dad and dear friend back-to-back, she couldn't shake the feeling that she wasn't living as gratefully as she wanted to. Kelly Corrigan:And he said, Thats a way to be a parent, which is to say to be there, to be available, to be within view, but not necessarily inserting yourself, because even though as your kids get older and older, it feels like theyre looking for you less and less, it is sort of a comfort to glance over, and see you there, and feel you there, and they would most certainly notice if you werent. Im sorry I didnt go see your mom. Thats not the same as saying I was wrong not to try to know her. Its cancer inflammatory breast cancer, with a twenty percent chance of living to five years. Kate Bowler:Absolutely. Kelly Corrigan:I mean, thats where it is. You dont have to bring it all. Kelly Corrigan:I mean, unless youre a monk, and youre meditating for 60 days in a mountain somewhere. Kelly Corrigan:So, I say at the end of this chapter, Shouldnt loss change a person for the better? Kelly Corrigan:Now maybe Im going to go to Durham, and now maybe Im going to get my PhD in Divinity. Minds dont rest. Kelly Corrigan:You know, that I had lost his favor for a moment, and I was just so ashamed. We should hold hands for a moment, as a way of marking the glory of a family dinner, and they do that. What do you do when life doesnt fit into neat categories? I mean, I dont know why you went with, Everything Happens for a Reason, because Dont get crumbs on the baby, that could be the follow up. Kate Bowler:Well, the one that we sort of settled on most was, Dont let the turkeys get you down, cause we were all deeply unpopular children, but it did make me think about mottos, and how it sort of defines the season that we live in. Were just a series of days and interactions. Kate Bowler:Well, I accept. Sometimes, were just lacking a bit of language. Sadly, our family motto was, Youll pass in a crowd if the crowds big enough. My mothers mother didnt want her to get a swelled head, and she passed that down to us, her four daughters. Hosted by Tom Scharpling and featuring celebrity guests, music, callers, and plenty of surprises, The Best Show streams live every Tuesday night on Twitch at 6pm PT and is available on your podcast apps the next day. Their oldest, Aaron was killed in a car accident 20 summers ago, just after his freshman year in college. You might actually give somebody a chance to discover whats really bothering them, and in that discovery they might find their own solution, but the fact is that if you can bite your stupid tongue, and get over yourself, and just keep eliciting their whole story, then the next thing you know, their mood is changing, and theyre feeling more solution-oriented, and then they get the buzz of solving the problem. Kelly Corrigan:And he said, Thats a way to be a parent, which is to say to be there, to be available, to be within view, but not necessarily inserting yourself, because even though as your kids get older and older, it feels like theyre looking for you less and less, it is sort of a comfort to glance over, and see you there, and feel you there, and they would most certainly notice if you werent. So, I think things happen when you leave the house. I think thats cause we were always sort of fighting nearby. Its the motto I live by when my opportunities are too big, and my capacity and capabilities too small. I guess everybody here, these children of mine and my husband, are just too damn busy to get on this, but Im not, so Ill do it, and then I was finishing, and I found a little pile of cut toenails on my kitchen table, and that. I mean, I remember thinking, when I wasnt sure, when I was in an especially tough moment of illness, every time I would look at Zachs nails I would think, Is this what wouldve happened if I hadnt been here to do this? Kelly Corrigan:And so I didnt do it. You are everywhere they are., Kelly Corrigan:I really believe that, even though Im skeptical, and Im mad at people who say, Her spirits still here, and stuff. Im sorry I didnt go see your mom. Thats not the same as saying I was wrong not to try to know her. Kate, Kelly Corrigan:Hearts dont idle. So, Dont eat a hamster is our version of Dont jump to conclusions.. I was in a big, big rush to get in front of him, and say my apology, and be returned to a state of grace, but the fact is that his mom died. You start with, Its like this.. Kelly shares her own "go to" mantra as well as two blessings from frequent Kelly Corrigan Wonders guest Kate Bowler and her co-author/friend/podcast producer Jessica Richie's beautiful and extremely useful book: The Lives We Actually Have (100 Blessings for Imperfect Days). Kelly kicks off a new series on BELIEF, delving into topics like the meaning of life, finding purpose, why faith, service and gratitude matter, and more with Dr. MIchael Murray, former Philosophy Professor and current President & CEO of the Arthur Vining Davis Foundations . Hosted by four-time New York Times bestselling author Kelly Corrigan, the show features insightful conversations with notable guests, reflecting on their lives and the impact they can have on their worlds. Her teams look to her for direction, but she wanted to see what would happen if she paused more to ask them questions, and found it totally changed her approach to both her work and family life. We only book nice people who have a sense of humor and know things worth knowing. Kelly Corrigan:Yeah, and theres forgiveness and acceptance kind of intertwined there that you know, youre going to forget. The idea that any day could be this huge day, I dont know, that really gets me out of bed, you know? The result is "Think Twice: Michael Jackson," a 10-part podcast from Audible and Wondery that will be available exclusively on Audible and Amazon Music on Thursday. Kate Bowler:Well, your book has such a wonderful collection of phrases around essays, stuff like Tell me more, and you write about incredible things people can say when theyre figuring out the road ahead. Theres meatless Mondays, and theres a kombucha bar, and theres nap pods. Im not sure where the bar is set at in normalcy though. She died this morning, and I was just sick to my stomach. Youre going to slide around, you know, youre going to deserve your life a little more some days than others. I was wrong, and that is very soothing, but then that took me back to this moment where I had gone to work for United Way after college, because I was going to save the world, and I was this total do-gooder. My mom called me maybe three months after my dad died. Kelly Corrigan:The magic of Tell me more is you start telling me what youre upset about, and I fall for the first thing you say, and I start solving for that. The idea that we just sort of wander around, consume things until we die, like were just a series of small appetites without any deep, rich, meaningful, satisfying connection. They reel and wander and fixate and roll back and reconsider, because its like this, having a mind. Absolutely enjoy these, the wisdom, the calm, the gentle reminder of our true reality and the essentiality of the connections we make and need to survive and help each other. We should hold hands for a moment, as a way of marking the glory of a family dinner, and they do that. Kelly Corrigan:And how do we earn it? Kelly shares her own go to mantra as well as two blessings from frequent Kelly Corrigan Wonders guest Kate Bowler and her co-author/friend/podcast producer Jessica Richies beautiful and extremely useful book: The Lives We Actually Have (100 Blessings for Imperfect Days). Hopefully youve continued to connect with Kate and Kellys books. Kelly Corrigan:So, my husband worked at a startup in San Francisco, which is called Medium, and its a writing platform, and as a writer, I was welcome to come, and use their office space, and its everything you think a San Francisco startup is. You wrote about the end of words. Im so grateful to hear the ways youre connecting with Kate and Kelly. We can remove the first show in the list to add this one. By creating an account, you acknowledge that PBS may share your information with our member stations and our respective service providers, and that you have read and understand the Privacy Policy and Terms of Use. I mean, its a little bit like, Just keep saying yes. You know, When in doubt, say Sure, Ill do that, just to see what happens next, just to see who you might meet. Maybe Wills curious phrase, Its like this, applies here too. Yeah. So Kelly, welcome. Kate Bowler:Yeah. I just want to show up and try to be of use. Then cancer hit. I was also living only maybe 10 miles from my very old grandma who lived alone, and I kept kind of meaning to go visit her, but its a lot easier to show up at work every day at the United Way, and get kind of righteous about all the people who work for money versus the rest of us who are working for the greater good, than it is to go to your grandmas smelly, weird apartment, and have weird conversations with an 88-year old, you know? You cant only experience deep gratitude at the toenails that you seriously wish someone else would have cut, because seriously, whos doing this around here? Such is a reminder that success is the result of joined efforts and that all of us are touched by the ripples of others contributions. Like the other day when I was being wheeled into a procedure, the nurse looked at my chart, and then casually said, Colon cancer. I was wrong not to try to ease her days in some way.. Corrigan and her guests meander with insight and humor toward that inevitable moment when you think, "Exactly!" The Best Show with Tom Scharpling a day ago Use one of the services below to sign in to PBS: You've just tried to add this video to My List. I love your book and your honesty as I keep questioning everything. Kelly Corrigan:Theres a thing Im aware of about eye contact between spouses, and you either make it, or you dont, and once youre aware that thats deeply meaningful, and that it has this kind of almost immeasurable, physiological effect on the other person, then you make an effort to look them in the eye, and that seems like such a small thing, but its actually definitional in terms of your relationship, in terms of whether its a good day, or a bad day, or a good interaction, or a bad interaction. I think we make life a little more interesting! Kelly Corrigan:But you know, if Im jumping in with my fancy solution two and a half minutes in, I just cut you off, and then we leave each other, and I have this little high like, Ah, I just really helped her, and she walks away thinking, She didnt hear anything I said. Kelly Corrigan:So, I used to go in there and write, and they have a meditation teacher twice a day at 10:00 AM and 3:00 PM, and at first I was sort of sheepish about availing myself of every single employee benefit, but sure enough, eventually I found myself sitting in there, and this guy was kind of amazing. No one understands what makes a character sing better than Michael Lewis. She reflects on her love and loss through ordinary moments and everyday sayings. Find me online at @KateCBowler, and Id love to hear what you think of this episode. 00:35:25 - Annie Jean Baptiste in the Head of Product Inclusion at Google where she spends her time thinking about the products we use very day and how who's a So, I grew up with this sentence with my fathers voice in my head saying, Allah Kareem, God is generous., Cheryl:Our family motto is, Dont eat a hamster. Kate Bowler:I guess Ill see you soon. Kelly Corrigan:Like, Oh, well we still have sex, so were definitely not going to get a divorce, or you know, Oh my husband doesnt travel, so then were definitely not gonna get a divorce, or you know, I never smoked cigarettes, so Im definitely not going to get breast cancer. In this season of "Tell Me More," listen to one-on-one conversations with musical icons like Jewel and Lang Lang, community leaders like Del Seymour, entertainment heavyweights like Constance Wu and Michael Lewis, scientists like Maya Shankar, and more. Maybe I dont have to be good, but I can try to be least a little better then Ive been so far., Riham:Our family motto is Allah Kareem. Thanks For Being Here Remembering Ryland. Kelly Corrigan:So, I get it, but I spend a lot of time with them, and Im madly in love with them, really, really have this deep, incredible connection with them that I just value so much, and they are in her, and you know, theyre everything that was so important to her. Whos going to do this? Kelly Corrigan:Thanks. Just get in the mix, get in the line of fire. One of the hardest things Ive been wrestling with is not having any clear language for this weird place between sick and healthy, weak and strong. Kelly Corrigan:So, I get it, but I spend a lot of time with them, and Im madly in love with them, really, really have this deep, incredible connection with them that I just value so much, and they are in her, and you know, theyre everything that was so important to her. A huge thank you to Mahra (the song she sings is from When I Drink by The Avett Brothers), Riham, and Cheryl who shared their family mottos with us. It doesnt end, and also you cant live there. She has been called the voice of her generation and the poet laureate of the ordinary, and she is the most perfect person to talk to to kick us off because her lovely new book is called Tell Me More, and Tell me more is one of those phrases she uses, phrases that she writes about that help guide her through relationships, and parenting, and grief. I went to see her one time. Kelly Corrigan sits down with Melinda French Gates. And the potted plant theory, I cant credit it to someone, Im sorry, I dont know who put it out there, but the idea is that if you were to have a plant in your kitchen, you might not be aware of it at all, and then if someone were to remove it, youd say What happened to that plant?. You dont have to bring it all. You cant live in that. Its not in my family. I mean, I dont know why you went with, Everything Happens for a Reason, because Dont get crumbs on the baby, that could be the follow up. Kate Bowler:Thanks so much for doing this. Kelly Corrigan:Like, almost every time Im sure that if you just let me take over, I can make this problem go away. Weeks later, the missing hamster crawled out from under the stove. Playlist. Read more on this here. Ill read you a little bit from the very end of that chapter because the thing that he was saying I think is, This is how it goes.. Kate Bowler:Those ordinary consonants and vowels that, when strung together, offer meaning and points of entry for others. Show Kelly Corrigan Wonders, Ep Kelly's Gratitude List - Nov 25, 2022 Our family motto is, We dont sell family. When our dog was a puppy and being housebroken, he kept sneaking around piddling in the corners of rooms. Then the ocean with its waves so vast, impossible to touch bottom, then a maze, then a mountain, then seasons, a natural disaster. Kelly Corrigan:Im telling you what, man, you can not believe how much I use this, and you can not believe how still it is not my natural instinct. This is an amazing story. Kelly Corrigan:Theyre never going to not do that, and thats how theyre going to raise their kids, and that means shes still here.
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